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Chat Topic: Visual Studio Team Architect
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Chris Hockenberry: experts...we don't need no stinking experts (said strictly as a funny movie qoaute)
Chris Hockenberry: <---does knot no how two spel
stevie asked the experts: I have a question for the experts
Dima asked the experts: Are we going to talk aboui installation?
Dima asked the experts: Dima no I mean installation of the VS Team Architect
james: I'd like to ask about extensibility of the existing designers and tools into existing Systems auding, work item tracking and change management systems. Will the MSTS tools have hooks to allow this?
Paulo: Hi I want to know if it's possible (and how can i do) to create application templates (such UI for CRUD) and attach these object to a object ACD in order to optimize th time needed to develop an commercial application.
Dima asked the experts: Is latest CTP from Dec? Does it make sense to do it now or wait for next CTP? Do I really need to PC's to setup VS Team Architect?
aksong: in the DEC CTP, i'm having trouble adding any system or application diagrams to an existing solution that i originally created using Beta 1. any known issues?
SanjayVyas asked the experts: I have a question about Logical Data Center Designers, can it probe the servers for their configurations and contrains rather than we adding them manually?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): paulo - can you use the "Submit a Question" radio button to get the question in our queue please?
ScooterDude asked the experts: What are the best references / articles to read to get the background / concepts for using the desingers?
Paulo asked the experts: Hi I want to know if it's possible (and how can i do) to create application templates (such UI for CRUD) and attach these object to a object ACD in order to optimize th time needed to develop an commercial application.
Eric Landes asked the experts: When is the next release of VS Team Architect?
stevie asked the experts: I'm working in dominica so I'm kind of cut off from the world and I need to know how to reinstall service pack 2 on my computer. I went to the microsoft website and it says that I already have it, which I do but I'm missing a necessary file ( Kstvtune.ax'
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: Team Architect include Application Modelling, Deployment Modelling, and infrastructure modelling...I have seen that discussions have taken place regarding Business Process modelling...what are the plans for that.
Chirag: I m Developing the mulitlaguil system can you please guide me how can i convert to other language on some key events i m using VB.net
EstFan [MS]: Sorry, I'm a little late...technical difficulties.
Jonathan: Do you foresee people continuing to do classic class level OO design in non MS Tools and then using Team Architect for modeling larger scale concepts like a web service?
Martin Danner asked the experts: What is the Team Architects program's philosophy regarding web services vs .NET remoting? Do you still see a role for .NET remoting? Does the Application Connection Designer support .NET remoting as well as web services?
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: Is there plans to add design patterens support to team architect?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Jonathan - can you use the "Submit a Question" radio button to get the question in our queue please?
james asked the experts: What level of extensibility will there for the datacenter designer be to add new appliances and equipment to the system with specific functionality such as caching equiptment, 3rd party load balancing (Cisco) etc?
Reza: Are there plans to make new tutorials available?
Kevin P asked the experts: I'd like to ask about application partitioning. How do we take an enterprise scale applications and split them up into chunks; each of which may contain shared components?
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: Is ther some way for the Infrastructure Modeller to 'discover' my current architecture setup in the different deployment zone (Staging, dev, test, production) ?
james asked the experts: I'd like to ask about extensibility of the new designers and tools into existing Systems auding, work item tracking and change management systems. Will the MSTS tools have hooks to allow this?
Jonathan asked the experts: Do you foresee people continuing to do classic class level OO design in non MS Tools and then using Team Architect for modeling larger scale concepts like web services?
Dima asked the experts: Is there anything special done in VS to work with Enterpise Library?
davidmohara asked the experts: Is there a general timeframe for the Beta2?
Sten asked the experts: Terry Halpin has expressed intents to develop an open source tool for ORM . He has also expressed an interest in doing that as a plugin for Whitehorse, which should move ORM support from tactical Visio to strategic Whitehorse. Any info here?
Justin Lee asked the experts: Do you really need AD to install VSTS? Is there anyway to install VSTS without AD? For the Dec CTP that is.
aksong asked the experts: It seems that VSTS has omitted the level of detail to thoroughly model an application's projects, especially wrt Dlls. Could you comment?
Arran asked the experts: Is there going to be another CTP before beta2? (Not just VS, but the Team System)
jack asked the experts: When will there be a Go live license with the VS 2005?
SanjayVyas asked the experts: I have been using the Sept CTP and check-in of a bug work item doesnt close the status of that workitem, is it by design or currently not implemented feature?
stevie: It was home xp service pack 2. does that help?
Ranjith: In the Distributed System Diagram tool, when defining a WebService will there be support to add WSE semantics
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Ranjith- can you use the "Submit a Question" radio button to get the question in our queue please?
aksong asked the experts: in the DEC CTP, i'm having trouble adding any system or application diagrams to an existing solution that i originally created using Beta 1. any known issues?
Stuart Celarier asked the experts: Are you working on improving the user interaction of the design surface? It can be really hard to select some of the elements. And every demo I've seen the presenter struggles with simplly selecting, dragging, etc.
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Sorry to keep posting that message, but the button will reset each time - make sure it is set correctly, or your question will likely get missed.
Ranjith asked the experts: In the Distributed System Diagram tool, when defining a WebService will there be support to add WSE semantics
Scruj asked the experts: I'm interested in high performance web services.Ccommon scenario is to ask service to perform some searching and return result. Ussually, client need those result few times afte this. Do you have some pattern to detect that search result wasn't changed?
christina asked the experts: help me i cant chat?
MikeD asked the experts: What level of code generation will be part of this? and do the code changes get reflected back to the model?
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: what I would like to see process for the infrastructure Modeller that can discover my current infrastructure or I put it in, I then input a second Infrastructure Model, and the infrastructure modeller will then lay out a road map on how to morph my current
james asked the experts: Which release better represents the functionality discussed here, The CTP or Beta 1 refresh?
Inge_MVP: Ed_H_MS: Perhaps the default setting should be "Submit a question" ?
Paulo asked the experts: Another issue tha I have is if it posible to a single Window Application (or other) template in the ACD to generate code to differente user interface such as WinForms and Pocket PC Forms?
Chris Hockenberry: Why are asp.net programs no longer considered solution or applications, but only websites???
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Inge - let's just say that I have provided that feedback.... 
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: Why are asp.net programs no longer considered solution or applications, but only websites???
Inge_MVP:
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): They will fix it soon, don't worry...
Sten asked the experts: In ACD, the Web Service box really represents a service while web services are represented by web service endpoints. This is a little awkward. Any thopughts about that?
Kevin P asked the experts: These designers are an early delivery within the DSI. How are the gaps going to be bridged to the physical layers beneath from logical layers that can be modelled with these tools?
aksong asked the experts: regarding the issues adding diagrams to existing projects, any workarounds?
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: I think he means Active Directory for the AD part of that question
Andrew Macaulay asked the experts: How do you see a more Business Architecture level fitting into VSTS in the future - are there plans to develop the tool/toolset in this direction?
Justin Lee asked the experts: Yes... i meant active directory
Arran asked the experts: So in VS beta2 will that be Team System beta1? (And the Quality you expect for Beta1)
Stuart Celarier asked the experts: Will there be support for Web services exposed directly from Yukon? Maybe it's there already and I couldn't find it?
nick asked the experts: hi i have a big problem with my directx. whena i want to start an application with direct 3D tells me that cannot initialize direct 3d acceleration. also when i restart the service from the directx tool (enable/disable) the application plays but awful.
Dima asked the experts: Is there connection between VS Team Architect and SQL Server 2005 enterprise-broker?
Leo asked the experts: Hey is there any speical thing for Webservices in .Net 2005
KlausObd[MVP Access] asked the experts: At the moment, you can use the system designer to look, if a planned system can be "docked" to an existing server. Is there any possibillity to ask the reverse question: Which systems do not longer work, if i change my hardware ?
Chris Hockenberry: nick...this is a forum for Visual Studio Team Architect...I think you are looking for the support forums
TrevorW asked the experts: Will Beta 2 be compatible with Activie Directory on Win2k?
Scruj: What plans for tesing evnironments for web services? NUnit is nice, but it is not parallel. Maybe something like ACT test but for webservices will be very useful
Martin Danner asked the experts: Dina, you said that VS2005 Beta 2 will be released this summer, yet in yesterday's Class Designer chat it was stated that Beta 2 will be released in March. Is there a definite release date ? Does this mean Beta 2 of the entire VS2005 suite, including VSTS?
jack asked the experts: Any answer on the question regarding the Go Live license date?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Scruj - can you use the "Submit a Question" radio button to get the question in our queue please?
Scruj asked the experts: What plans for tesing evnironments for web services? NUnit is nice, but it is not parallel. Maybe something like ACT test but for webservices will be very useful
Arran: jack: Not a offical answer but MS have said Go Live is with Beta2
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Thanks, Scruj
Esther Fan_MS asked the experts: Regarding information about using the designers, the in-product Help is a better source than the documentation on MSDN online, which seems somewhat broken right now.
Scruj: Thanks, Ed_H_MS
jack: thanks
aksong asked the experts: Will VSTS be released together with VS 2005?
Justin Lee asked the experts: Is there any way to install Dec CTP VSTS without Active Directory?? By just using similar local domain users?? If there no way, is there any plans to make it able to install VSTS without Active Directory?
Paulo asked the experts: VSTS will provide integration with UML modelling software such as MS Visio or Rational Rose?
Stuart Celarier asked the experts: I know you've heard the input before, but I'd really like to bemoan not having interface-first design for Web services. It was the biggest lesson we learned from COM. I'm not clear why the team missed that or chose other priorities. Any comments?
cserra asked the experts: Where can i find some video presentation about VSTS?
aksong asked the experts: Could someone clarify at least the rumored dates? From yesterday's Class Designer chat, beta 2 was said to be slated for March/April w/ RTM *Summer 2005*. Earlier here, it was stated beta 2 was summer 2005. Please clarify...
Arran asked the experts: Not technical but where did the name WhiteHorse come from?
Saurabh Nandu MVP asked the experts: Are there going to be Design Patterns Templates just like Rational XDE provides ?
aksong: sorry, someone just asked my question
DinaFes_MS (Expert): Aksong, I typed too quickly, as Ajay wrote last night --- Beta 2 - March 2005. Visual Studio 2005 will be released in Summer 2005. Detailed pricing/licensing will be announced in March.
aksong: thx
Paulo: How can VSTS help me to design the SOA Boundaries of my application? Is there any documentation about design SOA Applications using VSTS?
Esther Fan_MS asked the experts: I'm logged in as a guest, so my answers are appearing as questions.
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Paulo - can you use the "Submit a Question" radio button to get the question in our queue please?
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: OK...But don't you think that the decision to make asp.net solutions always websites, and not applications is an architecture decision??? I would think the asp.net team would work with you guys on that. I hate not having a project life file to track.
MAG asked the experts: Hi guys, There are some similarities between Biztalk and the designer? Do you see them eventually merge as one product?
Saurabh Nandu MVP asked the experts: Any thoughts on reverse enginering an architecture diagram for existing projects being migrated to VS2005? I know the class diagrams can be reverse enginered, I am asking about architecture diagrams!
Justin Lee asked the experts: You say that you can convert UML models -> Code -> Whitehorse model. Is there any plans to convert directly from UML models to Whitehorse?
GMan asked the experts: Will the release date of SQL Server 2005 (Yukon) be at the same time as VS 2005?
aksong: I've gotten Dec CTP to work on 2000 Active Dir.
Denis: good question Saurabh, even rational has a plateau between top level arch and ground level up
mstanford: Is ther a way to transform one DSL/model to another?
Justin Lee asked the experts: How do you install it without Active Directory? Both the Application Tier and Data Tier without Active Directory? But the installation document only states how to install it USING Active Directory. So, how do we go about installing it?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): mstanford - can you use the "Submit a Question" radio button to get the question in our queue please?
Saurabh Nandu MVP: yep denis, considering that VSTS puts MS right with Rational in the Modling space .. I think it makes sense for both kind of modeling variations to be made available
Sten asked the experts: Back to my question about Web Service toolbox prototype and Web Service endpoint. Will I see a difference in the toolbox (in Beta 2) between a form-based ASP.NET App and a Web Service-based ASP.NET App?
KlausObd[MVP Access]: thnx
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mstanford asked the experts: Is ther a way to transform one DSL/model to another?
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Justin Lee: Anyone can get Dec CTP to work without Active Directory?
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Paulo: Will be an integration with BizTalk Orchestration? (let me explain better, after a application was developed the diagrams tha I've made can be used to assist in an orchestration of sercices)
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aksong: can someone get rid of that yoyo
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Sorry folks, the spammer has been booted... :-(
Paulo asked the experts: Will be an integration with BizTalk Orchestration? (let me explain better, after a application was developed the diagrams tha I've made can be used to assist in an orchestration of sercices)
Arran asked the experts: idots.....
Arran: Sorry wrong button
Paulo asked the experts: How can VSTS help me to design the SOA Boundaries of my application? Is there any documentation about design SOA Applications using VSTS?
aksong: ha
Arran: i was obviously refering to the spammer
Arran:
SanjayVyas: LOL@Arran
Saurabh Nandu MVP asked the experts: Are there going to be Design Patterns Templates just like Rational XDE provides ?
Chris Hockenberry: Is ther a plan to incorporate a .net 2.0 application blocks like library into the product? (i.e. Enterprise Library)
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: Is ther a plan to incorporate a .net 2.0 application blocks like library into the product? (i.e. Enterprise Library)
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Gee thanks, Arran! 
Arran: Sorry
aksong asked the experts: in the future, do you plan on adding version support & release planning integration into the designers?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): No prob...
Andrew Macaulay asked the experts: In terms of Business Architecture, I am talking more about modelling the business "services", use of information and (links up with the question about Business Processes) business processes to ground the solution in the wider business context.
Stuart Celarier asked the experts: Wrt Enterprise Library, the OP is referring to the latest offering from patterns & practices
Chris Hockenberry: Andrew...I have asked about that in a half a dozen forums and all I ever get is "We like the idea...we will see in the future"
Paulo asked the experts: Does anyone of you wil be on the Charlotte Training on feb 14?
Sten asked the experts: In B1 there's no support in the Class Designer for use (or dependency) relationship, only for associations and generalization. In an environment based on stateless objects, use relationship is much more common than the other two. Any thoughts?
Andrew Macaulay: In terms of the infrastructure side of things, will VSTS be hooking into (in any way) the Security Config Wizard knowledge, so that you can apply best practice up front into the infrastructure side of the design?
Chris Hockenberry: did arran really just call you guys idiots LOL just kidding arran
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Andrew - can you use the "Submit a Question" radio button to get the question in our queue please?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Yeah, he did - but I forgave him anyway...
Esther Fan_MS asked the experts: For Paulo, in-product Help for Application Designer should be available for helping customers design SOA applications. In the Help's Table of Contents, go to Enterprise Tools -> Distributed System Designers -> Getting Started.
Andrew Macaulay: Sorry - dropped back to guest chat by mistake!
Andrew Macaulay asked the experts: In terms of the infrastructure side of things, will VSTS be hooking into (in any way) the Security Config Wizard knowledge, so that you can apply best practice up front into the infrastructure side of the design?
Justin Lee asked the experts: Well, VSTS's Data Tier needs to be installed on another machine. And Applcation Tier needs to install on a seperate machine. Data Tier will ride on top on Yukon. Right? So basically to set the entire VSTS in the Dec CTP takes at least 2 machines.
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: this thing really should either default to submit question, or at least give me the option of picking my default
Chris Hockenberry: uggggg
Justin Lee asked the experts: The installation guide states that you need to set up an installation user and app/data tier user in your active directory. Can you do otherwise?
Ramesh_MS: Sten, I am part of the Class Designer team. Supoort for use relationships is a good suggestion. We are currently locked down for V1. We will consider adding this feature in the future releases.
Andrew Macaulay: Q. Why does the question area drop back to Guest Chat when you press Send? Seems a not too user friendly model
Chris Hockenberry: <--can't seem to push the right button this morning
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Chris - I know, believe me - that feedback has been "strongly suggested" by me...
Sten asked the experts: For an entity service (Fiefdom/Service Master), the database is given and also encapsulated by the service. It's not available for anybody else. Should I still drag out a database prototype on the surface or abstract it within the service?
james asked the experts: I'd like to ask about extensibility of the new designers and tools into existing Systems auding, work item tracking and change management systems. Will the MSTS tools have hooks to allow this?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Andrew - that's what we call a "Usability Bug"...I hate it
Andrew Macaulay asked the experts: Will there be any ways in VSTS (2005) to take UML models from e.g. Rationale ROSE as input into the design - or is this something that will be a manual process is this release?
Justin Lee: haha. complain to the developers! mass flood their mail boxes...
Sten asked the experts: Ramesh_MS: Any chance of unlocking it? Many (perhaps even most?) designers will probably rule out the class designer if it doesn't support use relationship (especially IBM/XDE users).
mstanford: what's SDM?
Paulo asked the experts: About VSTS and Enterprise Services ...Is a way of design the transaction contexts, object pools and after the implementation automatically create stress tests using VSTS?
Denis: agreed Sten
aksong asked the experts: Seems like there are a lot of features in the pipeline for VSTS, beyond V.1. Any comments on when we'll see them? .Net 2.1??
Stuart Celarier: Do you see any inherent conflict between using these designers and an agile methodology? Are we moving towards more agile datacenter design? This question came up the other day and baffled me, I'd be interested in your take on it.
Reza asked the experts: Any news on when MSF Formal will be made available?
Stuart Celarier: Oops, forgot the Submit a Question ... again!
Stuart Celarier asked the experts: Do you see any inherent conflict between using these designers and an agile methodology? Are we moving towards more agile datacenter design? This question came up the other day and baffled me, I'd be interested in your take on it.
Justin Lee asked the experts: Okay. Thanks alot. I see what you mean. Is there anyone I can direct this question to? Because I've read in most blogs this cannot be done. Wondering if there's any chance the Foundation Servers will just allow normal local domain users?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Sorry, Stuart, I will go reinforce the feedback about that button, how's that...
Chris Hockenberry: I saw that there is a patterns and practicees summit on the west coast in march...are there plans for a south/central version of that summit, and would you guys be there to discuss best of breed architecture practices??
Kevin P asked the experts: Are the server types in the LDD hard typed or can they be extended? I may want to deploy applications that aren't web apps or web services onto a web server box in order to work with what is already there but web servers only allow web app/services.
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: I saw that there is a patterns and practices summit on the west coast in march...are there plans for a south/central version of that summit, and would you guys be there to discuss best of breed architecture practices??
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: Or are there plans for an application architecture Summit?
Ramesh_MS: Sten: I understand your point of view. However, it will be extremely difficult to add new features at this point. We had to make certain tough calls as to what we can effectively deliver for V1. Could you also submit this through MSDN Feedback Center?
Justin Lee: hey... do they log this chat for reading later?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): The transcript from today's chat will be posted after today's chat. http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/chats/recent.asp
Justin Lee: oh btw phil... thanks alot!!
Kevin P asked the experts: Why is the default implementation language VB for implementing applications and not C#? Surely this a bug
Chris Hockenberry: how extensible is the VSTS??? If you guys do not deploy a Business process Modeller, could I have my team build one that plugs in?
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: how extensible is the VSTS??? If you guys do not deploy a Business process Modeller, could I have my team build one that plugs in?
Sten: Ramesh_MS: I certainly will. I've already mailed it to Keith as well (with no anser )
ggeurts: +1 for use relationships, class designer does not provide sufficient support to express/reflect dependencies. This is far more relevant than the class hierarchy IMHO.
Inge_MVP: Ed_H_MS: another feedback. with XP SP2, I just got a blocked popup in this window. I temporarily allowed popups, which in turn caused the page to refresh.. wohoo...
Ramesh_MS: Thanks Sten. Here is a tip: Bugs/Suggestions entered through MSDN Feedback center get high scrutiny by the team that owns the feature. Also if a suggestion gets more votes, they bubble up to the top.
aksong asked the experts: Any interesting information you guys would like to volunteer about the designers?
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Inge - I know that one too, don't quite know how to fix that one though. Any ideas?
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: Can you guys name the one Killer feature of Team System Architect that we may not know???
aksong: Regarding VB as the default language, is there a product suggest to add change the default? I need to go vote for that...
Chris Hockenberry: ed...make the popup (Private chats or messages I believe) an iframe on the windows instead of a seperate window.
Saurabh Nandu MVP: lol PerdoSi
Sten: Guest opinion on agility: SOA, great architecture and designers add value to agility and XP by providing a framework where "unwanted creativity" is already banned by being out of bonds and wanted creativity (within bonds) is promoted.
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): aksong - now why would you want to do that?
Chris Hockenberry asked the experts: any way to have VB removed from the product all together??? Maybe have a Ture developers editions with c# and a Toy developers edition with VB
Inge_MVP: Ed_H_MS: depends on what the popups are for.. but perhaps advising ppl to allow them after joining will at least help out a little... i.e. something in the invites.. until a good technical workaround becomes available
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Thanks, Chris, I will pass that on...
Saurabh Nandu MVP: DinaFes sure ! saurabh@mastercsharp.com .. thanks !
ggeurts asked the experts: When can we expect more support for business process modelling and mapping business processes to services? Or does this compete too much with BizTalk?
aksong: b/c changing lang types in all my projects or all the little design boxes isn't very fun
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Chris is looking to get banned!
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Sorry, but I've been working with VB for a LONG time...
Chris Hockenberry: hehe
Justin Lee: Well, I think they should just make it optional... VB or C#...
Stuart Celarier: I assume that COBOL.NET will be the default in the RTM, correct?
Kevin P asked the experts: How much interaction do you foresee the infrastructure architect having in the design process using these tools. They might be responsible for creating the LDD and keeping them up to date, but what else might they be expected to do besides this?
Saurabh Nandu MVP: oops .. the pop-up problem here too .. whoever sent a PM - pls send again
Justin Lee: Who knows... Visual Perl .NET might be the next big thing.
Inge_MVP: did anyone send me a PM that time ? I didn't get it, so re-send...
Stuart Celarier: Did I say COBOL.NET? I meant Haskell.NET. Sorry for the confusion.
Ed_H_MS (Moderator): Ah, we were working on using Fortran.Net, would that be okay?
Chris Hockenberry: someone should tell pedro I was joking
Kevin P: Chris - excellent VB follow up question back there; just read it
Darryl: http://spaces.msn.com/members/darrylryder/ here Thiago